"I hoped they call me on a mission, and they did!"

Saturday, March 24, 2012

Unexpected Guests


"Fish and visitors smell in three days."

No smell here, we were happy to see everyone!

Wendy made a whirlwind visit.  Her grandmother wasn't doing well so she got a last minute flight out of Pensacola and was able to see her Grandma Hart before she passed away. Because of the circumstances Wendy got to see lots of other family too.  She spent one night with us.  Surprisingly, we calculated, her and Tommy hadn't seen each other in 4 1/2 years.  He took her to the airport the next day so they had a chance to visit a little more than the rest of us. 


Unexpected Guest = Unexpected Reunion
Tom and Wendy
Also,  spring break came early in Arizona.  Bill, Chelsea, and the girls came to town and spent a few days, then it was to Disneyland and back to Arizona.  It's always great to see the grandkids.  They grow so quickly.


Ryan, ready with her autograph book,
hoping to get a signature from a Disney Princess


Here's another princess,
Dani, 6 months now.


Ryan helping grandma in the garden.
During part of their stay Bill, Tom, and Ariel went on a hike. Add water and you'll find some scary cliff jumping.  They had a great time.

The Water


The Vistas


Ariel and Tom


Tom and Bill


The Craziness!


Billy

Before Billy left my brother, Mark, JoLinda, and Scotty came by. They were an overnight stop on their way to Disneyland. Everyone got to see each other at dinner, then Bill and his bunch headed out to rendezvous with other family in Brea.  The families (Bill's and Mark's) were all meeting up with other extended family at Disneyland the next day. Tom, Ariel, and Becky decided to join in.  They had a great time, but unfortunately - not many photos.

The Castle

Becky - so pleased she got to go.

Bill and Ryan

Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Happy Valentine's Day 2012

I'm still sick, but not sick enough to send a Valentine greeting:

Have a great day!


"Whoso loves,
believes the impossible."

Monday, February 13, 2012

Your Day for a Mission

Tommy's girlfriend, Ariel, has been called on a mission. We're so excited for her.  She'll be entering the MTC (Missionary Training Center) May 9th. Amazingly, she's going to the same mission my niece is serving in - Utah Salt Lake City Temple Square. Who knows, maybe they'll even get to be companions.


And Sister Reynders is now on Temple Square.  In her last letter she shared her testimony.  She is so excited and happy to be serving.  I'm so proud of her. Look for her picture on my sidebar.  Give it a click to check out her blog.


Being that I've mentioned these two young women and their missions, I wanted to post this little video of Elder Neil L. Andersen telling about Syd Going (rugby superstar) and his missionary experience.  I love it!



"I know that a mission
will provide
extraordinary blessings
for you now
and throughout your life."
 Elder Richard G. Scott
"Now Is the Time to Serve a Mission!"
Liahona, May 2006

Sunday, February 12, 2012

Happy Anniversary???

It's my anniversary - 36 years Hugh and I.  Make it 42 including all the dating years.  But I'm sick today and have been since Thursday night.  It's been a bummer long weekend.  We went out to lunch Friday trying to revive me.  Happily Hughie taught my Sunday School lesson today and thankfully others intervened for my other Sunday commitments.  So what am I doing?  Sitting around in my pajamas blogging.  Here's hoping for a better week of health and more years of happiness with my husband.


"One comes to realize very soon after marriage that the spouse has weaknesses not previously revealed or discovered. The virtues which were constantly magnified during courtship now grow relatively smaller, and the weaknesses which seemed so small and insignificant during courtship now grow to sizable proportions. The hour has come for understanding hearts, for self-appraisal, and for good common sense, reasoning, and planning."

Spencer W. Kimball
"Oneness in Marriage"
Adapted from a BYU Devotional Address
September 7, 1976
Liahona, October 2002

Check out the date on this quote - 1976.  Hugh and I had been married a little over six months. I was working full-time at BYU in the Transfer Office as a computer operator. I couldn't attend the devotionals, but they would always pipe them in for us to hear.

Hugh was enrolled for Fall semester and starting up at BYU again. He had to drop out over the Spring/Summer term because he had injured his knee playing softball with the ward team just six weeks after we moved to Provo. With surgery and physical therapy, he was literally just getting back on his feet. It had been a reflective time for him and he decided to change his major from Speech Therapy to Geography during his convalescence.

At this time, Hugh was also working early morning janitorial at BYU's Movie Studios during the week and on Sunday's he cranked up the heat in one of the buildings on campus. Interestingly, his BYU job has been the only job where Hugh had to work on Sunday. Of course, the reason he was readying the building was so students could attend church.

We were both 23-years old and newly married, now, 36 years later - AMAZING!

Saturday, February 11, 2012

More of 2011

For some reason I never posted this collection of pictures I assembled last December.  I think I was in search of more pictures to add to it.  I obviously forgot about it, but here it is, late, and with some food for thought.  Look at the date on that quote!  I was Janna's age going to AVC just like she is now.

"We need not feel that we must be without fault in order to receive the blessings of God. He will take us from where we now stand if we will come to him. He will build us up, spiritually, and he will build us up with confidence in ourselves."
Thomas S. Monson

I was reviewing our pictures and I have tons of undocumented stuff that happened in 2011. Anyway, I just thought I'd post some photos that I hadn't used earlier to wrap up the year.


Tommy and Joseph
The Big Guns


Jeremiah and Janna
A little trip to the Indian Museum
before he left for Puerto Rico.


Cassie and Tom
Saying "good-bye" as Cassie
heads out to Puerto Rico.


We LOVE our COUSINS!
Emma and her family came visiting over Thanksgiving.
Janna and Emma went on a photo shoot.
I thought this was such a great picture of Emma.
She's a beautiful girl. 


Scenery from Tom's Mountain Trip
August 2011

Uncle Mark and Tom
Hiking on Thorley Mountain


Janna and Janet last summer
Forever Cousins


Elder Norton and Elder McMullin
Sierra Ward Activity
I don't make a habit of taking pictures of our local missionaries, but I wanted to get one specifically of Elder McMullin because he has my mother's maiden name.  When I meet a McMullin I just gravitate and figure we're related.  There are McMullins in the world, but not all with the M-c-M-u-l-l-i-n spelling.


58 years and counting!
July 4, 2011


I paid of visit to my cousin Cassie in September.
I got to see her new house and her family,
and I got lucky and saw her oldest daughter, Perri,
who was also visiting.


Sam, waterlogged in Cassie's pool,
but happy to be on a bit of a vacation.
We spent the summer watching Poppy
and dealing with his house.
We were happy to spend some time
visiting family in Clovis, CA.

Dani and Janna
Janna would like to claim Dani is her clone,
"Why didn't they name her Janna Nell?"

Ryan,
Having a Merry Christmas!

Happy New 2012!

Friday, January 27, 2012

Ma and Pa

A few weeks ago, Hugh and I were asked to serve as a Ma and Pa for the upcoming stake youth conference in July. It’s a four-day trek, a reenactment of sorts, of the Mormon pioneers going west.  With a number of youth we will form a family pulling a handcart along with a larger company of youth and adults from our stake.

Hugh knew the trek was coming up (it's every four years) and wondered if maybe we'd be asked.  Me, I was totally shocked!  Pushing and pulling a handcart through the Sierras - Really?  Hugh has no knees and I’m twice the size I was when we got married. Not to mention, at this age (we'll both be 59 when we head out) we’re more a Grandma and Grandpa than a Ma and Pa.  Anyway, in spite of all that, we both felt good about it and said, "YES!"

Hugh’s attitude, “I was training for a marathon, but I guess I’ll train for the trek instead.”

Me, “I was trying to lose weight and become more fit. I guess this will help me achieve my goal.”

Certainly our physical strength will be taxed and more, but in enduring trials comes great spiritual strength and blessings.  It’s not going to be easy.  With that said, I'm already in reenactment mode.  No doubt the Saints knew before they left that it wouldn't be easy, but they believed in Christ and moved forward each day with faith in every footstep.


With faith in every footstep,
we follow Christ, the Lord;
And filled with hope
through his pure love,
we sing with one accord.

Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Susan

My cousin, Susan, is really my mother's first cousin.  Susan's mother and my grandmother are sisters and yet Susan and I are just months apart in age.  Because of our age and familial relationship we had an instant bond. We have some great memories of visiting my grandmother (her aunt) together. Over the years we've kept in touch and visited with each other, but not often.  Still, that feeling of love and camaraderie are always there when we get together.
I hadn't had any direct contact with Susan for several years, just my usual Christmas cards.  I was wondering about her and so was my cousin, Doyle, because neither of us had spoken with her for a while.  He tracked her down and found out she had been in a terrible car accident in Mexico some years ago.  She was now living in a nursing home facility in Yucaipa.  I was shocked, but happy to know where she was and renew our relationship.  Time flies.  It's been several years since we've regained contact.  I visit her periodically and every time I do I forget to bring my camera, but I remembered yesterday.  Yeah!  I got a photo of us.

Susan and I
Cousins Forever

While talking with Susan  I was amazed to find out she had recently gone to the ER several times.  YIKES!  She seems to be on the mend and she always has such a positive attitude.  By the array of Christmas cards displayed on wall of her room, you can see she is greatly loved even by those who are not family and close friends. Many people who work where she lives love to talk with her and hear her advice and wisdom.  She's always a good listener and graciously hopes to help and improve your way.  I know I'm always better when I visit Susan.  Her southern hospitality and kindness always comes through.
"True love lasts forever.
It is eternally patient and forgiving.
It believes, hopes, and endures all things."

Thursday, January 5, 2012

Temple Work

Last October Hugh and I started working in the Los Angeles Temple. When we were interviewed by President Martz last September he told us that our experience would be different than when we come as patrons receiving the blessings of the temple.  Instead, once a month, we serve those who come by helping to bestow the blessings of the temple.  It has been a wonderful opportunity and experience.  We're just getting started and we hope to continue and do more in the coming years.

I can bear testimony of the blessings of temple attendance.  No matter if I'm helping or coming as a patron, it's service.  There is a purifying power that takes place there and I'm so grateful for it.  I'm so happy to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and have the understanding I do of the Plan of Salvation.  The temple is a holy place and when I leave those walls I have been strengthened.  I have greater peace.

"To you who are worthy
and able to attend the temple,
I would admonish you to go often.
The temple is a place
where we can find peace.
There we receive
a renewed dedication to the gospel
and a strengthened resolve
to keep the commandments."

Wednesday, January 4, 2012

Here We Go Again!

Sister Janet Reynders
Janet is outta here!  She's off on another mission and I couldn't be more pleased.  I, her aunt, again have the privilege of monitoring her blog.  Today Sister Reynders enters the MTC - Missionary Training Center.  Her last mission was in Nauvoo (summer 2010). It was a special and unique experience serving four months as a young performing missionary. Now she'll be in Salt Lake City on Temple Square.  This Is The Place!  That's the name of her blog.  Janet picked it out and I was all over it.  If you'd like to follow along for the next year and a half, go to her blog and become a follower.  We'll be posting letters and pictures and if you have any encounters with Sister Reynders while touring Temple Square, of course, I want to hear about it.  Be sure and snap a photo and send it to me.

“After all that has been said,
[our] greatest and most important duty
is to preach the Gospel.”
Joseph Smith
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith,
sel. Joseph Fielding Smith (1976), 113.

Wednesday, December 28, 2011

The Legend of the Pink Comb

"Our hearts grow tender with childhood memories and love of kindred, and we are better throughout the year for having, in spirit, become a child again at Christmas-time."  Laura Ingalls Wilder


Family readying for Skype and phone connections
to Pensacola and Puerto Rico.

Becky listening and waiting for her turn
to read her Family from Yosemite story.
For some years now we've been writing family stories as our Christmas gifts to the family.  This year we presented them on Christmas Eve with hook ups to Florida and Puerto Rico to include everyone. I've only posted my stories on my blog.  Here are my past entries:

Christmas 2008 - Maybe We're Just an Ugly Family
Christmas 2009 - My Temple! My Temple! It's My Temple!
Christmas 2010 - Freeways and Parking Lots

Here's my story for this year - The Family From Yosemite 2011

The Legend of the Pink Comb
by Martha Reynders Blair

You wouldn’t think the words “legend” and “pink comb” could be in the same sentence, but when you’re talking about the Family from Yosemite such oddities do exist. Let me give a little history so you can understand how this came about.

Everyone has hair, so combing is a way of life and I expected my home with all its hair would be like my mother’s and her mother before her. Both my mother and grandmother had a container filled with combs. My mother had a blue and white crock and my grandmother had a circular green glass vase. I remember looking in these containers as a child, my eyes examining each comb. I was like a kid in a candy store anticipating the sugar high. I took some delight in eyeing each comb with all the protruding shapes, varied colors, sizes, and styles readying myself for a coifing experience.

In my selecting, I soon learned that not all combs are created equal. My grandmother with her instinct to save because of the Depression and my mother with her “year supply” mentality had lots of useless combs in their collection. For example, those cheapy combs you’d get on picture day at school; always good for one swipe through the hair before your photo was snapped and not good for anything else. Even so, there were plenty of good ones too. Just like candy, I had my favorites. No matter what my combing experience would bring, I always enjoyed picking out my comb. It was a daily ritual I delighted in.

Then I got married. Things started out fine. We had one black comb. It had its place and we were good to take turns, but then more were added to our family, seven to be exact, that meant more heads with hair to comb. Even then there weren’t issues for awhile because I used baby combs on baby heads, but eventually baby hair turns to big kid hair and that’s when the dilemma ensued.

With lots of children to get ready in the morning and the pressure of getting children off to school or ready for church in a timely manner, I would make my frantic attempt at getting heads combed and out the door. The comb would not end up in the designated spot in the drawer of our bathroom, but would be found in the kitchen, the kid‘s bathroom, or even the floor. Consequently, Hughie would be dismayed in the morning because it would put a kink in his orderly routine.

Now I must reference here that Hughie is particularly neat following the old adage “a place for everything and everything in its place.” The prophet, Brigham Young, had used this terminology. Hugh would like to claim he was simply keeping the commandment. He unfortunately would become very disturbed by the comb not being in its assigned spot. We soon realized or I should say we have all made our own diagnosis, that Hughie is a closet OCD person - Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The comb, its place, etc. was all a major concern.

In order for me to deal with the situation of lots of heads and one comb, my childhood memory came back like a vision. That delightful experience of picking out a comb in a container filled with combs. Surely this will make the situation better. Daddy will have a comb. Children will have combs. Everyone will have a happy combing experience.

I pulled out a circular green vase collecting dust in a cupboard. I believe it was the original comb vase of my grandmother. I bought a few bags of combs and made an arrangement, almost like flowers. I figured we were good to go - no more problems, but my plan was foiled one morning when Hughie said he couldn’t find his comb. Ugh! “Comb Shmomb,” I thought, “This shouldn’t be a problem.”

I picked up the green jar of combs and said, “Here pick one.”

But Hughie was aghast, “These aren’t any good. These are icky combs.”

“What do you mean, icky? There should be a nice comb in here somewhere! I just bought them.”

I gingerly pulled an acceptable specimen from the green glass and handed it to him. Hugh took it, looked at it, and stroked it through his hair a few times, but his face showed his obvious disapproval.

“What’s the matter with it?” I said.

“It scratches my head!” he countered.

I grabbed the comb and put it through my hair for my own test. I admitted it didn’t feel as nice as his usual comb, but certainly he could live with it. “What’s the big deal?!” I said.

Again with disgust, “It scratches my head!”

“So!!!” was my reply.

“SO!!! I DON’T WANT IT TO SCRATCH MY HEAD!”

Well, the hunt was on. In spite of our search, we couldn’t find Hughie’s comb. I started buying more and more combs with the attempt to find a really good comb. Nothing in a multi-pack would do. All individually wrapped combs were the only consideration for suitable testing. Hughie was some kind of comb aficionado. His sampling and opinion were the only one that held any weight, as we combed through the combs.

He knew exactly what he was looking for. I was amazed at what I thought was a somewhat pleasant lifetime of combing only to find that I was way to easily satisfied. Whatever! In spite of my attempts to purchase a suitable comb, Hughie was always dissatisfied.

One morning as he was grumbling once again about using some misfit of a comb, I tried to appease his anguish by providing some hope, “Maybe the comb you liked didn’t start out so comfortable. Maybe it’s like a favorite pair of old shoes that has been worn down over time and become even more comfortable with age.”

“That’s not it!” he clamored back in despair.

The quest continued, but finally, we found one that he liked. There was no doubt and he stroked his hair time and time again with the utmost pleasure. He knew he‘d arrived with - THE PINK COMB.

Unfortunately, my group of combs arranged in a vase for the picking was not satisfying to anyone in the family, including me; I had to admit the pink comb was better. Daddy’s previous comb had spoiled all our heads. All others combs were not an option, so in spite of the extra combs in the green vase, the pink comb became coveted. And regrettably, it did not maintain its important spot in Daddy’s drawer. Everyone used it and everyday Hughie had to hunt it down always starting his morning with frustration, but then he would instantly calm as his head was caressed by the pink comb’s magic.

This situation went on for many years. The pink comb began to wear. Even though a tine or two became missing, it still maintained its appeal in spite of its dilapidated appearance. After many years of use and abuse, one morning Hugh went on his usual pursuit to find the pink comb. His frustration could not be appeased by the smooth stroke of the pink comb because the pink comb was missing. I mean, really missing! It couldn’t be found. Again, dare I say, Hughie “combed” the house up and down and all around in his hunt for the pink comb. Through this investigation we would hear a periodic scream of despair, “Where’s the PINK COMB?!!!”

We were all eventually brought into the search; the mystery had to be solved. Like Sherlock Holmes we theorized, “Could it have fallen in the trash can? Taken in the car in a mad dash to some event, combing as we drove?” We searched, but nothing. “Maybe it was left somewhere on a family trip and extended family was now in possession of it?” We didn’t know what had happened to it. The mystery was constantly discussed.

I started buying combs in an attempt to replace it, but to no avail. Its replacement was futile. Nothing seemed compatible to the old pink comb. It was like a depression came over us. We couldn’t start our day with the once therapeutic mojo that would envelop our heads with comfort. Instead, we left the house with scowls on our faces knowing full well from where our comfort had once come. No other comb seemed to satisfy. Eventually, we went our separate ways with our own dissatisfying combs. The pink comb had been so amazing. It was an end of an era in combdom.

I wondered if other families had experienced such a thing. Certainly it had been something unique to our own home. We never found the pink comb or a satisfactory replacement. It was just another chapter in the saga of the Family from Yosemite.

Then, one day, years later, I was at the Ferguson’s for a reason I can‘t remember. Anyway, I was sitting on a wooden swivel chair at the kitchen counter in their family room waiting to speak to Linda, the mom. They had the usual expected hubbub going on about the house with their large family of nine children.

From across the room, I could see and hear Bruce, the dad, and one of the older boys in the doorway of the hallway in front of me. They were grunting and groaning as they tried to maneuver a bookcase. They were in the process of moving it to a different location in the house. What surprised me as they lifted the bookcase off the ground and then forward a few feet, one shouted in disgust, “THE RED COMB!”

“WHAT!?” another family member’s outcry was heard in the house with the grave feeling of disbelief.

Under the pressure of the load in hand one of the guys quickly kicked the red comb out so it could be easily retrieved. There was a sense of dismay when he shouted, “THE RED COMB!” You could feel it, their home was filed with a sigh of relief and yet some anxiety too over the needless suffering their heads had been through, like they too had been paying some kind of price by not having it readily available to soothe eleven bed heads every morning. Me, I was surprised all right, but I also had a sense of satisfaction in knowing we weren’t alone in our quandary of combdom.

Tuesday, December 27, 2011

LOVE

Love is
the way of
the disciple.

I'm not going to be writing about my lessons every week.  I can't keep up with it, but I will share something once in awhile.  A couple of weeks ago during Sunday School our lesson was on the love of God.  His love teaches us to love.  That's what life is really all about:  "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.  This is the first and great commandment.  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)  God loved us so he sent His Son.  He wants us to return to him and if we love him, we will.    The red quotes come from Pres. Dieter F. Uchtdorf, The Love of God. (October 2009, general conference)

I posted this little video on facebook earlier this month, but I wanted to share it here too:



The divine love of God
turns
ordinary acts
into
extraordinary service.

Monday, December 26, 2011

Another Year - The Same Ol' Same Ol'

"I've been on a constant diet
for the last two decades.
I've lost a total of 789 pounds.
By all accounts,
I should be hanging
from a charm bracelet."
 Erma Bombeck

I share this quote for two reason.  One, it's past that time of the month again - I've gone another 30-days with a dieting goal in mind. Which I didn't achieve, "no dessert". And number two, in spite of my efforts or I should say, lack thereof - I'm not hanging by a charm bracelet.

Instead of waiting until January, I'm taking today to address my last year resolutions and to announce my new ones for 2012. Pretty much same ol' same ol'. 

2011 GOALS:

1. Include Cassie and her boys once a month for Family Home Evening.

We did this until June and it was then that Cassie moved out of my dad's place and got back together with her husband, Ruben.  We had to take over the care of my father which was all consuming for a good four months.  Even though we had interaction, the shared Family Home Evening didn't happen anymore.  Since then Cassie, Ruben, and the boys have moved to Puerto Rico.  It's only been a few weeks since they left.  We miss them and are praying that all goes well.

2.  Doing a daily kind act, plus looking at what God has done for me everyday - recognizing it, and writing it down - DAILY.

I do kind acts and I recognize what God has done for me, but I didn't write it down everyday.

3.  Lose weight! 

I didn't lose weight.  I gained weight.  UGH!  What a life I lead.  I added the 30-day reporting in recent months thinking it would prompt me to be better, but to no avail.  Anyway, I'm feeling motivated, even surrounded by Christmas goodies.  My blood pressure is up so I'm concerned.  I'm already on it.  I won't be reporting every 30-days though.  If I'm making progress, I'll say something.

New Year Resolution for 2012

1.  Lose Weight

People are so worried
about what they eat
between Christmas and the New Year,
but they really should
be worried about
what they eat between
the New Year and Christmas.
Author Unknown


2.  Be kind - Do daily acts of service.

I want to be kind to everyone
For that is right, you see
So I say to myself, Remember this:
"Kindness begins with me!"
Clara W. McMaster 
(Taught and sung in many of Mrs. Blair's classes.)

 
3.  Ask - "What has God done
for me and my family today?"

"There are only two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle."
-- Albert Einstein


4.  Write it all down!
 
“When we deal in generalities, we shall never succeed.
 
When we deal in specifics, we shall rarely have a failure.
 
When performance is measured, performance improves.
 
When performance is measured and reported,
the rate of performance accelerates.”

Thomas S Monson

Hoping to blossom in the
NEW YEAR!
2012 HERE I COME!

Sunday, December 25, 2011

Merry Christmas 2012

 

The best of all gifts around any Christmas tree:
the presence of a happy family
all wrapped up in each other.
--Burton Hills--

I'm having a wonderful Christmas for a number of reasons.  Happily I'm not sick, but I admit it's only because I've been on antibiotics for the last three weeks. Yeah!  Anyway, it's good I'm not suffering that way. Also, I don't have pictures to share, but the images are in my mind of family and friends enjoying one another - eating, games, hiking, playing, holding the baby - the list goes on.  I'm happy for these moments.  I wonder if I appreciate it all the more because I'm getting older.  I guess I'm finally getting what life is all about.  I know the Savior with his love and sacrifice has brought me this great joy.  I'm so grateful.

Merry Christmas!

Thursday, December 15, 2011

Subbing Plus Life

 
This semester has been different for me.  Different, because I've been on a number of trips - twice to Arizona, and once to Florida.  And, Hugh and I started working at the Los Angeles Temple once a month.  I always hope to sub for teachers about 8 to 10 days a month and surprisingly, in spite of being gone plus the school vacations, I pretty much have.  Jobs seem to be available when I'm available.  I'm feeling really blessed and grateful.

I've had downtime as of late, but still have been extraordinarily busy.  The motion never stops.  I'm use to that - seven kids, a husband, not to mention everything else in life.  But even then, it seems my doings have been more constant  than ever.  I need to slow down.  I'm getting old and yet, I seem to be keeping up.  I'm always in pursuit of simplifying.  That thinking and action seems to help utilize my time better.  In my mind, simplifying means I get even more done, but with less stress.  It's been  a good semester.  I've enjoyed it.  Looking forward to Christmas.
In teaching you cannot see
the fruit of a day's work.
It is invisible and remains so,
maybe for twenty years.